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		<title>Why Reject Socialism?: Collectivism vs. Individualism (part 1)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several months ago I was driving home from work, and I thought I would tune into Air America (If you don&#8217;t know, Air America describes itself as &#8216;&#8230;the nation’s leading progressive media network&#8217; and is basically the progressive talk radio conglomerate in the U.S.) because I wanted to hear whatever they happened to be talking [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=appeal2heaven.com&amp;blog=6635272&amp;post=62&amp;subd=appealtoheaven&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several months ago I was driving home from work, and I thought I would tune into Air America <span style="color:#808080;">(If you don&#8217;t know, <a href="http://airamerica.com/about">Air America</a> describes itself as &#8216;&#8230;the nation’s leading progressive media network&#8217; and is basically the progressive talk radio conglomerate in the U.S.) <span style="color:#000000;">because I wanted to hear whatever they happened to be talking about that day. I caught the middle of a discussion on the government and anthropogenic (human-created) global warming, where the host made a statement along the lines of:</span></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color:#808080;"><span style="color:#000000;">&#8220;You see, the problem is, Conservatives do not believe that anything good can be accomplished when people come together to get something done.&#8221;</span></span></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#808080;"><span style="color:#000000;">The host was basically trying to make the point that, with regard to protecting our environment, everyone must work together. Obviously, this statement is true. One person being careful to turn their lights out, and make sure their refrigerator door is shut, won&#8217;t really have much of an impact on the environment as a whole. If any real impact is to be made, then everyone must take part. This is essentially how collectivism is defined: a view which</span></span> stresses human <em>interdependence</em> and the importance of a <em>collective</em> (or group), rather than the importance of separate <em>individuals</em>. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism">-wiki</a>)<span style="color:#808080;"><span style="color:#000000;"> </span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#808080;"><span style="color:#000000;">The problem is simply that the statement the host made is a <a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html" target="_blank"><abbr title="A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.">Strawman</abbr></a>. I don&#8217;t know of <em>anyone</em> that actually believes <em>nothing</em> good can come from people working together. There are many good things that can be achieved when people work together towards a common good.<br />
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<p><span style="color:#808080;"><span style="color:#000000;">However, the crucial point the host missed is that Conservatives do not believe individuals should be <strong><em>forced into collectivism by <abbr title="the practice of compelling a person or manipulating them to behave in an involuntary way (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation, trickery, or some other form of pressure or force.">coercion</abbr></em></strong>. (<span style="color:#888888;">It is important to note here that in America, the government is the only authority which has the power to force you to act involuntarily.</span>)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#808080;"><span style="color:#000000;">In other words, </span></span><span style="color:#808080;"><span style="color:#000000;">Conservatives reject collectivism because a person&#8217;s individual liberty is necessarily sacrificed by force of government, for the collective. Consider the opening of the <a href="http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm">Declaration of Independence</a>:</span></span></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that <strong>they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.</strong> — That <strong>to secure these rights</strong>,<strong> Governments are instituted </strong>among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>America was founded upon the idea that Government <em>does not</em> create or establish Rights. Rather, Rights are intrinsic to each individual (granted by God) &#8211; and that Government is established only to protect (or provide security for) those individual Rights. Power lies primarily in the individual &#8211; not the government. Consider the <a href="http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html">Bill of Rights</a>. Is the Bill of Rights a list of Rights that government gives to individuals? No. It is a list of Rights in which the Government <em>cannot</em> impede.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you are thinking of one obvious objection: <span id="more-62"></span></p>
<h1><span style="color:#808080;"><span style="color:#000000;">But sometimes, isn&#8217;t Collectivism required to protect individual Rights?</span></span></h1>
<p><span style="color:#808080;"><span style="color:#000000;">Had the Air America host accurately represented Conservative&#8217;s objection to collectivism by coercion, his next objection may have been, &#8220;But in the case of Anthropogenic Global Warming, (a potential threat to everyone), wouldn&#8217;t individual rights be better protected in the long run by some form of forced collectivist action now?</span></span></p>
<p>Yes&#8230;potentially. However, as is usually the case with environmental threats, you would absolutely be sacrificing individual liberty, over something that is a <em>potential</em> threat and hotly debated <span style="color:#888888;">(The environmental debate is a huge topic </span><span style="color:#888888;">I will expand on</span><span style="color:#888888;"> in a post of it&#8217;s own)</span>. Anytime this happens &#8211; power is transferred from the individual, to the government. One doesn&#8217;t have to be a renowned historian to realize that governments do not give back power once they obtain it (thus, &#8216;checks and balances&#8217;).</p>
<p>It is important to point out here that there are many other ways to accomplish group oriented goals, such as environmental protection and conservation, <em>without sacrificing personal liberty</em> through government coercion. The government can, and probably should, encourage behavior that may benefit society &#8211; but this doesn&#8217;t require action by force.</p>
<h1>But Isn&#8217;t Individualism Just Selfishness and Greed?</h1>
<p>Milton Friedman has a great response to this objection:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://appeal2heaven.com/2009/02/19/why-reject-socialism-part-1-collectivism-vs-individualism/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/RWsx1X8PV_A/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
<p>The simple question is &#8211; what system is <em>better</em> than individuals making choices in their self-interest? The problem is that collectivist systems <em>eliminate</em> personal choice and freedom, in an attempt to create some form of greater virtue. Of course, how is something virtuous, if you are not free to choose it? Not to mention &#8211; who among men, has better wisdom to decide what is right for you, other than yourself? (This will be further discussed later in this series when we talk about Socialism, Oligarchy &amp; democratic mob-rule.)</p>
<p>Also &#8211; the above misconception has more to do with people not putting individualism in the proper context. The argument for individualism is <em>not</em> one saying that you should disregard others needs and only watch out for yourself. Nobody is arguing that people shouldn&#8217;t care about one another. However, conservatives are nearly always claimed to hold this view: &#8220;<em>You just don&#8217;t care about other people.</em>&#8221; This is a misunderstanding.</p>
<p>Again &#8211; the conservative argument for individualism revolves around <em><strong>government&#8217;s relationship to individuals</strong> </em>in society &#8211; <em>not</em> your personal relationship with other people. Interdependence between individuals is a very healthy thing for society &#8211; but it is only healthy when it is entered freely by personal choice. You are not a free person if the government gets to decide for you, how you should interact with other individuals (beyond the protection of each person&#8217;s rights).</p>
<p>So how does all this tie in with Socialism?</p>
<h1>Socialism is Government Coerced Collectivism</h1>
<p>Socialism is defined as:</p>
<blockquote><p>Any of various political philosophies that support social and economic equality, collective decision-making<span class="serial-comma">,</span> and public control of productive capital and natural resources</p>
<p>-<a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/socialism">wikitionary</a></p></blockquote>
<p>A couple things should be clarified from this definition: when you read &#8220;<em>Support social and economic equality</em>,&#8221; this refers to <em>equality of results</em> &#8211; Not equality, as mentioned in the Declaration of Independence (&#8216;&#8230;All men are created equal&#8230;&#8217;) of each individual. Equality of the individual means that each person has completely equal status, rights, and freedoms, simply by being a person.</p>
<p>Socialism aims to make people socially and economically equal. It can <em>only</em> achieve this goal by using government power to deprive the Rights of some, in order to &#8220;help&#8221; others.</p>
<p>Continue to Part 2 &#8211; <a href="http://appeal2heaven.com/2009/04/01/why-reject-socialism-private-property-and-economic-freedom-vs-economic-equality-part-2/">Why Reject Socialism? (part 2): Private Property, and Economic Freedom vs. Economic Equality</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the common misconceptions of conservatism is that it does not care about the poor and down-trodden in society. Quite the opposite is true. For example, most conservatives would agree with the intention of most social programs, such as the minimum wage, or social security. However, the question that a conservative might ask would be, a) does [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=appeal2heaven.com&amp;blog=6635272&amp;post=55&amp;subd=appealtoheaven&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the common misconceptions of conservatism is that it does not care about the poor and down-trodden in society. Quite the opposite is true.</p>
<p>For example, most conservatives would agree with the <em>intention</em> of most social programs, such as the minimum wage, or social security. However, the question that a conservative might ask would be, a) does the particular social program <em>achieve its stated goals</em>, and b) does it do this by trampling upon <em>another individual&#8217;s liberty</em>?</p>
<p>Milton Friedman discusses many of these misconceptions (still totally relevant today) about capitalism, greed, social security, minimum wage, the free market, etc in the video below:</p>
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