Comments on: Prager University: America’s Values http://appeal2heaven.com/2009/06/04/prager-university-americas-values/ "Let Facts be submitted to a candid world" Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:32:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Ben http://appeal2heaven.com/2009/06/04/prager-university-americas-values/#comment-136 Ben Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:52:19 +0000 http://appeal2heaven.com/?p=413#comment-136 "I think there exist reasonable philosophical systems for non-God based values" I agree... but if values without deities are possible, then what are God-based values? Where do deities derive their values? Are they arbitrary values or are there laws or values that even gods must abide by? Do deities derive values the same way humans do? "in America, it is the Atheist’s Unalienable Right not to believe in a God based system. That right is inherent and essential (incapable of being given up, or taken), and must be protected and defended in just the same way as, say, my own Christian belief system." Amen brother! As for Prager... Bleh! How can you stand this guy? After his God values speech, I couldn't stand to watch anymore. 2:49 "America is founded on the notion that God is the source of values." No it bloody aint! 100% wrong. America is founded on the notion that INDIVIDUALS have values and rights. This is a secular nation with freedom of religion. Our nation does not appeal to ANY deity to declare its sovereignty. That is the very definition of a secular government; WE determine our values, WE determine our rules, WE rule ourselves. Porky Pig needs to teach Prager a lesson in REAL American values and the pledge of allegiance. "In God we trust" was added in the 1950s. It's unconstitutional. What if money said, "In deities we trust" or "In Allah we trust"? It is constitutional that this totally unnecessary phrase has been rightly removed from our currency. [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxlxoAcSusw&hl=en&fs=1&] “I think there exist reasonable philosophical systems for non-God based values”
I agree… but if values without deities are possible, then what are God-based values? Where do deities derive their values? Are they arbitrary values or are there laws or values that even gods must abide by? Do deities derive values the same way humans do?

“in America, it is the Atheist’s Unalienable Right not to believe in a God based system. That right is inherent and essential (incapable of being given up, or taken), and must be protected and defended in just the same way as, say, my own Christian belief system.” Amen brother!

As for Prager…

Bleh! How can you stand this guy? After his God values speech, I couldn’t stand to watch anymore. 2:49 “America is founded on the notion that God is the source of values.” No it bloody aint! 100% wrong. America is founded on the notion that INDIVIDUALS have values and rights. This is a secular nation with freedom of religion. Our nation does not appeal to ANY deity to declare its sovereignty. That is the very definition of a secular government; WE determine our values, WE determine our rules, WE rule ourselves.

Porky Pig needs to teach Prager a lesson in REAL American values and the pledge of allegiance. “In God we trust” was added in the 1950s. It’s unconstitutional. What if money said, “In deities we trust” or “In Allah we trust”? It is constitutional that this totally unnecessary phrase has been rightly removed from our currency.

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